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Daichi Yamato
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Posted - 2014.01.28 01:46:00 -
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would it be used? i probably wouldnt encourage ppl to use it as long as they can retreat with complete safety.
a mining ship for dangerous space is a venture right? because it has built in GTFO-ability and a space for a cloak.
A mining battleship with teeth isnt a bad concept. its giving ppl an incentive to use it without obsoleting existing ships thats the hard part
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
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Posted - 2014.01.28 19:56:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Which brings me back to my previous question. If it has comparable tank and less yield than a barge, then what is for?
using offensive strength rather than defensive as a means to defend itself.
taking the skiff in hi-sec as an example. tough and unlikely to be fruitful in a suicide gank. but take ten of those same skiffs and put them in null or WH and they become an (relatively) easy target for a small gang.
now consider a mining BS that can wield respectable DPS with a slightly lower mining yield. In hi-sec it provides no real benefit over a skiff. but in hostile space, the DPS that ten of these can bring to bear acts as a deterrent to small gangs.
Maybe it will behave much like the mining domi's and rokhs of old, but why not allow it to use strip miners rather than inefficient mining lasers and drones. especially when its intended area of use contains the largest of ores.
In WH's they might be a nice option since u dnt always know when someone is in system. u dnt have the luxury of locals free intel and may only be aware ur under attack when ur enemies uncloak on grid. by which point its too late to run. its time to fight.
no?
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
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Posted - 2014.01.28 21:06:00 -
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Senarian Tyme wrote:
brain fart?
u say it would be simpler to rework the orca than create a new concept, then mention that the reworked orca would need an entirely new module that would completely change the way it works and would make the orca and overpowered mining machine that obsoletes existing ships with its 200k ehp tank and much larger capacity. precisely what we were trying to avoid.
nah...i think we were closer to getting somewhere with a new concept and ship lol.
as for the way this BS could have the potential for mining and damage:
drones?
its simple, easy and doesnt affect other mods on the ship. with 2 highslots for strip miners, a 125mbit drone bandwidth with a 10% drone damage bonus per level puts it to about 500dps. then add a 5% yield to strip miners per level and u've got something that mines about (a little less than) as much as a barge but can deal moderate damage to targets of varying sizes.
encourage an armour tank over a shield tank with slot layout and pilots will be balancing dps/agility/yield/tank all with their low slots. leading to meaningful choices.
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
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Posted - 2014.01.29 04:05:00 -
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lol'd
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
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Posted - 2014.01.29 19:32:00 -
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does it have to be good at hi-sec?
we already have 3 great barges that work in hi-sec, but run into problems in low, null and WH's.
ta-da a miner that is in itself a deterrent to small gangs in such dangerous space (work in progress). doesnt have to be remotely competitive in hi-sec.
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
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Posted - 2014.01.29 20:12:00 -
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Nikk Narrel wrote:I would point out that we already have the skiff, which for it's EHP potential is amazing.
Knowing Concord will be coming, that EHP makes a skiff the worst target unless your opponent likes operating at a loss.
I can fit a Skiff to mine veld, with a yield of 697 according to EFT, with an EHP of over 74,000...
But it's a pinata waiting for the stick without Concord or player backup.
I can put a Venture out there, with a total veld yield of 909, that has a 5 second warp out time, and an inherent +2 warp stability.
(4 seconds to align). Add to this, that the described Venture is also fitting a cloak in case I decide hiding makes more sense.
What I can't put out there is a mining ship capable of meaningful DPS, which is the only language spoken by many of our combat loving friends.
I want to speak more DPS for them, there is so much I think that needs to be said, to make everyone truly happy.
this
though ur skiffs yield looks a little low. u can get a 84k tank and a 966m3/minute yield.
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
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Posted - 2014.01.29 21:00:00 -
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dnt u mean the opposite way round?
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
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Posted - 2014.01.29 21:11:00 -
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Elch Annages wrote:
I think if this Battleship idea is implemented it will end up after balancing as both bad at mining and combat because you will either have to sacrifice your firepower or your yield to make it work.
which will hopefully be balanced by not having to dock up every time someone who isnt blue turns up. u said so urself, u dnt take a barge out in WH space unless its dominated by ur buddies. and with a battleship option like this you can still take that barge out during these times.
but a battleship option like this might allow u to continue mining without the overwhelming presence of allies. which is indeed a better option than not mining at all.
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